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BenO_Under · Nov 06, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Cybah

well not signed. I, rank 0, want fame too :P

I, am rank 2, and want fame aswell, but im not going to heroway to get it :P

Mysterial · Nov 07, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Ya, I wouldn't mind that either. Would be nice if their were different 'modes' to HvH or something, instead of only having the one style of map as it is. I see where you're coming on and personally wouldn't mind an arena like that either, but the thing is, it just doesn't belong in HA. I'm guessing you didn't HA much before this update so you don't really see our point of view. For most of us, this new form of HA is horrible in comparison to what it use to be.

Oh, I played HA plenty before Nightfall, but I had already grown to hate it for its rank elitism and poorly designed altar/relic maps, so I wouldn't notice it getting any worse as it's already pretty low to me.

Banger · Nov 07, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Even though you were running it a couple nights ago Yunas, I'll still

/sign

I totally agree because only fighting Hero Ways isn't any fun because you know there are no people raging on vent on the other side when you win.

tomcruisejr · Nov 07, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

day after i got NF, i played with Heroway testing different builds. Minion factory, OoV IWAY, thumpway, ranger spike, EoE bomb. quite fun. i may try to run different combo and im getting used/studying hero's ai atm.

i dont care bout the seriousness of HA competition. HA should be fun, for all. even with the "abundance" of hero ways there, there are still 6 human teams. they are still forming. hex, iQ, sierra and his reno guys, etc. with heroes, your team fights 6 man teams and hero way teams (formed to farm fame or just to kill time and have fun). without heroes, your team fights 6 man teams and 6 man crappy teams (formed coz they got no rank / fame to start with).

i think you're all overreacting.

aeroclown · Nov 07, 2006, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

i think you're all overreacting.

I was going to write a post regarding the way I feel about pvp areas and the elitism, that is yes there regardless of what many people do claim or like to believe, but these words above sum up most of the post that are complaining about just about everything.

If its not one thing its the other. To be frank newbies have been excluded for a long time from pvp areas by rank, not by all, but by large not by a minority, and now that they have an avenue to have as much fun as they want to by having access to the "Content they paid for" I do not see a problem. I mean we all "want to have access to the content we have paid for ". . . .

isn't that right, or did I miss something in the other 50 threads about every other feature that has been added over the past year.

yes flame bait i'm sure this is what it will be classified, but I thought I'd post it anyway ignore me if you like.

The Silver Star · Nov 07, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

[QUOTE=aeroclown]If its not one thing its the other. To be frank newbies have been excluded for a long time from pvp areas by rank[QUOTE]

Basically, i started HA a "fresh" on my PvE account from scratch about 4 months ago, i didnt feel excluded because i wasnt rank9 and couldt play in r9 because i wasnt r9 so thats my problem even though i was capable, i played tombs making my own partys in ENGLISH disricts with unranked people and taught them a lot. It took me a week to get r3 with unranked players (mainly the same players) Were the excluded because of rank? no because they had none and neither did i, but do they have a rank now? yes they do and they actually learnt thing about HA even simple things. Playing with heroes these people wouldnt of learnt anything. Newbies are not excluded most are usually PvE people that want there bambi, just want it easy to get fame without going and making there own team and learning new things from speaking and discussing builds with real people. I miss the "glory" days of HA where there were around 15 English/American districts and a lot of unranked pugs forming but rank is needed in most teams as a "basis" for player ability and usually the higher rank the more experience and better player ability, that is why higher rank players are chosen over unranked players. If you were eg rank6 and you were making a group the chances of you taking an unranked newbie you dont know are almost 2% unless your doing it for a joke.

- Tight Panties

Lykan · Nov 07, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

Can we take [hex]'s streak last nite as an example of things to come?
Would that have been possible if there were no heroways in HA? I seriously doubt it.
No disrespect to the guys they did a great job but if there were more real teams in HoH last nite i'm sure they would have been kicked out a lot earlier. (actually they only lost because of an err 7

).

Lord Mendes · Nov 07, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Sorry for the trolling. At least it got your attention, unlike last thread where everyone simply posted "Noob if you lose to heroway quit PVp!" :P.
Well I think I have already said enough about this subject.

OFFTOPIC: lost to my first heroway last night on UW. Stupid lag...

Siren · Nov 07, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by aeroclown

they have an avenue to have as much fun as they want to by having access to the "Content they paid for" I do not see a problem. I mean we all "want to have access to the content we have paid for ". . . .

The only time I've heard such an argument is when PvErs were fighting against HA's influence, when they were arguing against an emphasis on PvP. Now I'm seeing the same reasoning arguing for PvP? Or for access to HA? I'm sorry, but none of this is making any sense.

The only people who are really clamoring for Heroway are either slightly experienced in PvP, or come straight out of PvE. But judging by the sheer incoherence and blatant misunderstanding demonstrated in the "pro-Hero" arguments, I can only conclude that the vocal supporters of Heroway here are in fact PvErs, because there's no understanding of what PvP actually is.

And as such, when did PvErs start caring about actually playing in HA? Historically, they haven't given two shats about actively participating, only just complaining about how they feel "locked out" from "content they paid for" due to FoW and UW access depending on victories in HA. But now they want to form their own teams with five NPCs and run stupid-simple builds, presumably only for fame-acquisition, rather than, oh, I don't know...maybe what people were recommending they do back last year, like win the halls for favor? Like stop whining and actually do something about it?

So what's the deal here? Why this sudden change? Because of Heroes? That's just a load of horsecrap. These people are attracted to HA because it just became PvE. That's all. It's not because it's "easier to get groups" because it's always been easy to get groups, provided the person isn't completely braindead or totally inept when it comes to networking.

Gargle Blaster · Nov 07, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

/not signed

more compitition is good... let natural selection deal with your problems...

if people is doing heroway and dieing they will not play as much... or learn and get better --either way it is good.

tomcruisejr · Nov 07, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

and people who are saying that youll learn nothing from heroes dont know what they are talking about .

if youre a warrior with 2 thumper heroes, youll learn how to pressure a team or you can practice pressuring opponents by directing your 2 heroes to different targets of your choice or what not. it's like you calling out "tactics".

obviously, you wont learn nothing from hero way if all you know is playing fire ele searing flame heroway.

Linksys · Nov 07, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

I got a bit more fame points in an all gamer team. The leader was nice enough to suggest changes to my build and we did alright. My preference is an all gamer team. But I support the use of Heros in HA. I just noticed that PvP characters have access to unlocked heros, so obviously this was meant for PvP. Now I'll be on the lookout for people sharing their Hero builds, incase I wish to do that sort of thing.

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 07, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

/not signed

the reason Good but no extremely good guilds like hex are winning ASTRONOMICALLY is because the great pvpers of our time are actually PvEing lol. I'm hearing the Spearmen are back in playing and I've seen a few familiar guilds popping up as well.

Darkpower Alchemist · Nov 07, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by glountz

Because I don't think Heroes removal is THE solution. (And if you sign, it is for hero removal).
I don't want to keep PVEer "casual PvPer seeking for cool emote" out of HA. The casual PvPer of now might be the future elite of HA.
But I understand that HA PVPer want to keep a high quality of PvP play.
Correct team matching as it is now in GvG is the correct answer to the problem (IMHO, of course), not pure hero removal.

This is the most sensible solution I have heard in any of these numerous"Get The Heroes Out!" threads. It doesn't take rocket science to understand the problem,but it does take use of some sense to come up with the solution. This would more than likely solve your problem.

Or at least lessen the chance of people fighting heroway teams all the time.

Darkpower Alchemist · Nov 07, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Siren

The only people who are really clamoring for Heroway are either slightly experienced in PvP, or come straight out of PvE. But judging by the sheer incoherence and blatant misunderstanding demonstrated in the "pro-Hero" arguments, I can only conclude that the vocal supporters of Heroway here are in fact PvErs, because there's no understanding of what PvP actually is.

And as such, when did PvErs start caring about actually playing in HA? Historically, they haven't given two shats about actively participating, only just complaining about how they feel "locked out" from "content they paid for" due to FoW and UW access depending on victories in HA. But now they want to form their own teams with five NPCs and run stupid-simple builds, presumably only for fame-acquisition, rather than, oh, I don't know...maybe what people were recommending they do back last year, like win the halls for favor? Like stop whining and actually do something about it?

So what's the deal here? Why this sudden change? Because of Heroes? That's just a load of horsecrap. These people are attracted to HA because it just became PvE. That's all. It's not because it's "easier to get groups" because it's always been easy to get groups, provided the person isn't completely braindead or totally inept when it comes to networking.

This is the elitist ignorance rearing its ugly head. Do you honestly think ever single PvPer playing this game has NEVER attempted to play in HA?

You can't be serious,and if you are, then you are insane!

The elitists made it nearly impossible to get involved in HA, with all the rankism( new phrase, I think

) that radiates from the players who stand around and want to see emotes that represent rank 6+. Your way of thinking is what makes HA undesireable for those that play PvE, but maybe that is where your logic stems from.

This attitude you showed in your post is the exact same attitude that kept me from even wanting to be in HA for the first year of GW, and kept me among the PvEers, who play to play. You, my angry illogical friend, and those like you, are the cause of the problem you now face.

Leave the elitism, the rankism, in the past. If you are so "Leet", beat the heroway teams sensless and keep it moving, and stop wasting good memory space on this Hero hating nonsense.

Can we get back to playing the game now? Please?

Akimi Akatsuki · Nov 07, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Too bad we'll always have elitists there is no way to get rid of them really. If you want to remove elitists from HA then remove rank. Then they won't have anything to be elite about, but that wouldn't be fair to them would it?

supaet · Nov 07, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

This is the elitist ignorance rearing its ugly head. Do you honestly think ever single PvPer playing this game has NEVER attempted to play in HA?

You can't be serious,and if you are, then you are insane!

The elitists made it nearly impossible to get involved in HA, with all the rankism( new phrase, I think

) that radiates from the players who stand around and want to see emotes that represent rank 6+. Your way of thinking is what makes HA undesireable for those that play PvE, but maybe that is where your logic stems from.

This attitude you showed in your post is the exact same attitude that kept me from even wanting to be in HA for the first year of GW, and kept me among the PvEers, who play to play. You, my angry illogical friend, and those like you, are the cause of the problem you now face.

Leave the elitism, the rankism, in the past. If you are so "Leet", beat the heroway teams sensless and keep it moving, and stop wasting good memory space on this Hero hating nonsense.

Can we get back to playing the game now? Please?

People like you is making the gw world worse. There is no elitism. There is no rankism. Why can't you accept the fact that people with similar rank should play together. We all started at rank 0. How did we get our ranks? did we get the stupid deer by playing with rank 9 people? If I am rank 3, some rank 9 give me a invite, I will not want to join them. I may earn alot of fame with them, but I have less fun. I'm under a lot of pressure to perform. I understand that I may cause them the game and ruin their fun. I'll have more fun playing with my fellow rank3's. If you play hoh for the emote, I'm sorry, but you should be playing other grind type of games like wow. I'm totally sick of facing heroway in hoh. oh btw, anet has killed hoh. Too many changes in small amount of time, change to 6v6, add heroes and new skills, GG. Now if I can find two more player, then we can gvg....but for the time being, see you guys in hoh.....after you beat a heroway, please tell them to stop playing and get real human groups

Siren · Nov 07, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

This is the elitist ignorance rearing its ugly head. Do you honestly think every single PvPer playing this game has NEVER attempted to play in HA?

You can't be serious,and if you are, then you are insane!

The elitists made it nearly impossible to get involved in HA, with all the rankism( new phrase, I think

) that radiates from the players who stand around and want to see emotes that represent rank 6+. Your way of thinking is what makes HA undesireable for those that play PvE, but maybe that is where your logic stems from.

This attitude you showed in your post is the exact same attitude that kept me from even wanting to be in HA for the first year of GW, and kept me among the PvEers, who play to play. You, my angry illogical friend, and those like you, are the cause of the problem you now face.

Leave the elitism, the rankism, in the past. If you are so "Leet", beat the heroway teams sensless and keep it moving, and stop wasting good memory space on this Hero hating nonsense.

Can we get back to playing the game now? Please?

Um, dude, what are you on? My post seems illogical only because what I'm pointing out is totally contradictory and illogical. You missed the first two sentences of my post. They're absolutely critical to what I was saying, and why omitting them to attempt to counter what I was saying is a very big mistake on your part. Never try to portray me as some elitist monster, because I am neither elitist nor "rankist." I am merely pointing out a major inconsistency here with regards to the fundamentals of the "pro-Hero" argument.

And before you go spouting off at me, telling me I'm looking for rank flashes, you'd best step-off and check yourself, because if you want to get into that kind of pissing contest, I guarantee that you'll lose...considering that I don't give two shats about rank at all, and that my group of HA buds have always been unconcerned about rank. In fact, we boot people from the team who flash us their rank. We laugh when people flash rank after they get a kill. We make fun of people like that. We make fun of people who place such an emphasis on rank. Just like I'd make fun of the people here who do Heroway to get rank.

Do you know why? Because rank is meaningless to those who know what in the hell is going on.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Nov 07, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

/sign

Fighting AI is for us PVE'ers. No reason why the people who want to fight other people should be forced into PVE

And to the guy above me...

"Step-off"? "Check yourself"? What era did you crawl out of man? 1995 ended a while ago.

Lord Mendes · Nov 07, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Akimi Akatsuki

Too bad we'll always have elitists there is no way to get rid of them really. If you want to remove elitists from HA then remove rank. Then they won't have anything to be elite about, but that wouldn't be fair to them would it?

Dude, are you serious?
Why get rid of them? Without them HA would have been dead while you were still a lvl 8 following Rurik out of Ascalon.
I'm loving this, people that have never or rarely HAed and have no idea how it works are worried about elitists ruining their arena. pffft.
It's like me complaining to Anet that loot is useless in PvE and we should get balthz faction instead. It would ruin the game for many, but it would make me PvE for 2 weeks instead of 1.

I am not a rank elitist and I know that rank is absolute trash, this post really bothered me though. You guys are newbs (newbies, beginners) to HA and you are thinking of ways to kick the older and more experienced players out of HA?
I didn't need heroes to start off in HA, and Anet didnt help me out when my rankless teams were getting beat to the ground by airspike. There wasn't even an observe mode, and the forums were very limited in builds. I played, learnt, got bambis/wolves/tigers flashed in my face. I still kept playing, got my rank, and realized that it is trash.
You are taking the lazy way out, and want to kick the people that actually grind their rank. Even if they did get it from IWAY, they still deserve to be in HA more than you imo.
Flame, troll, call it what you will. Hell, delete this post if you think im being too rude.
Simple truth is that you're not a good gamer, otherwise you would already have your rank.